20:07:58 Silicon Valley project management revolves around a block site for Technical project management with a focus on agile values and methodologies.
20:07:58 Svpm provides an experience of agile for those looking to gain experience.
20:08:05 For example, if you're a scrum, master, but we're never given an opportunity to try being a product.
20:08:11 Don't. You could gain your experience here if you have had education on school, or a scrum related certificate, you will have the opportunity to gain.
20:08:26 Experience here. The Svpm scrum team program bridges the gap between academics and job experience, which is what most employers seek in order to start a paid position, we will be adding a link in the chat to the Spm website and if you have had if you have any questions
20:08:55 Please post them in the chat, and we will gladly answer them after the presentation
20:09:03 We want to extend a special thanks to our founders.
20:09:07 David Baknia and Donald Strangerry, who have built in all organization around the learning, practice, sharing and growing together safety, enjoy and have created this meetup program that every month invites agile leaders to share their wisdom with us
20:09:31 Today we have the privilege of not only one, but 2 speakers.
20:09:39 With us George Dinwoodie and Eric Rabbit
20:09:45 They will talk about effective retros don't grow on trees.
20:09:50 Let me give you a little background on George and Eric.
20:09:56 George Dinwitty helps organizations develop software more effectively.
20:10:03 He brings decades of development, experience from electronic hardware and embedded firmware to business information technology.
20:10:12 He helps organizations, managers, and teams solve the problems they face by providing, consulting, coaching, mentoring, and training at the organizational process team into personal and technical levels involved.
20:10:31 He's been involved in the agile community since 2,000 also, easy he's the author of several books which we will post in the chat software estimation without guessing effective planning in an imperfect world evolutionary anatomy, of test automation code co-author of
20:10:53 Patterns of agile journeys.
20:10:58 Eric Raven. He is a consultant through his company, lucid, agile, incorporated, and he is a scrum alliance, certified scrum trainer, leading efforts to adopt and improve organizations.
20:11:14 Use of scrum and other appeal methodologies for over 30 years he has been working in software product development in various roles, starting his career as a software engineer and moving through various product development roles from development to test to release and performance Eric has covered the gamut in the software world half
20:11:41 Of that time in various management, roles
20:11:46 Eric has worked at many leading companies, such as Nortel, Apple, Sun, Microsystems, open way, adobe, tableau, and salesforce.
20:11:58 We are so grateful to welcome you both, so I'll turn it over to the presenters. Now.
20:12:12 Hmm.
20:12:08 Thanks for that introduction. Thank you very much. It's yeah, anyway.
20:12:16 It's hard to hear your stuff written. Yeah, back at you.
20:12:18 But yeah, appreciate it. So the mural link, if anybody's having any trouble, please put something into the chat and mention it to the host or George, or myself, or to everybody depending on what works for you, we're gonna be using mural which is pretty straightforward.
20:12:37 I'm gonna suddenly change your view and mural right now, by summoning you.
20:12:40 Don't be too alarmed, but I just want to show you what the whole thing looks like, and the outline on the right is how we're going to be navigating through this thing.
20:12:49 So let's alright. Let's just go and jump right in to the talk.
20:12:57 So if you need, if you have any trouble finding your way back around, if you can use that outline on the right to click your way through. And I'm gonna show you there's also a parking lot here.
20:13:10 If you want to write down a question case you don't put it in the chat, or you don't want to talk out loud.
20:13:25 And we'll come back to
20:13:30 Bye.
20:13:14 Do you want to raise your hand, feel free to capture a question here we'll try to keep an eye on that, and if we neglect to monitor it, feel free to let us know we we're not paying attention, yeah, but you know sometimes I forget so I just wanna make sure.
20:13:32 To you know it's not intentional, so my name is Eric Rappin.
20:13:37 You've heard my introduction, so I won't belabor the point. I'm in San Francisco, and I teach public and private and facilitate retrospectives and do all kinds of things for clients and alike.
20:13:51 George once, you
20:13:52 I'm George Denwy, and I'm in Maryland, so we've got the the country pretty much pinned in between us.
20:13:59 Yeah, and and
20:13:59 There you go, and all the Us. Time zones. Alright.
20:14:03 And I'm done well. We're missing Alaska.
20:14:10 But
20:14:06 And Alaska. Excuse me, the lower 48 alright!
20:14:12 But so I've done a lot of things, and so retrospectives are one of my favorite things to do, though
20:14:22 In fact, George and I are going to be spending a week in next month in Europe, at the retrospect facilitators gathering participating with a bunch of other like-minded retro facilitators so if you look at the mural what outcomes.
20:14:40 Do we want? Well, this, when we have an hour together, so we can only cover so much.
20:14:45 We're gonna learn an aspect of effective retros.
20:14:48 There are many, but I think this is an important one, and you'll gain some new ideas about how to do retros yourself as well.
20:14:55 So let's go and show you what the steps look like.
20:14:58 So if you're paying attention in the mural, I'll summon you all over here.
20:15:02 We just did intro. So that's done, and we're gonna do an exercise here which we'll explain in a moment, to call the timeline.
20:15:09 And the way we're gonna structure, this session is kind of like a retrospective, not entirely.
20:15:19 But we're going to be facilitating and using techniques that are used in retrospectives to kind of tease out some ideas about retrospectives that you've experienced in the past.
20:15:28 And I'm gonna let George introduce the exercise. But after we do that we've got a few things we'll do, categorizing and insights, and there will be some takeaways and Q a. At the end.
20:15:41 Anything anybody need at this point, before we move on
20:15:49 One thing I will say about retrospectives, and not necessarily for this session, because this isn't really a full one.
20:15:55 Retro is when you're doing remote, being on camera if you're willing and enable. And it's okay.
20:16:04 And you know, is better than not in terms of psychological safety and comfort zone.
20:16:12 And you know people just feeling comfort. But you have to do what you feel comfortable with, and it's definitely not required right now.
20:16:18 But if you do feel comfortable, I recommend it. You want to take over George
20:16:24 Sure.
20:16:28 Okay, so, pulled you all over here to the timeline.
20:16:41 Alright!
20:16:35 Emotional seasmograph area. And so this is this is based on on norm curse work in his book project, retrospectives.
20:16:53 And we're retrospectives are about some shared experience, and we don't have that with each other.
20:17:00 So we're gonna pretend that we do, and and what we want to do is is think about, you know the things that typically come up in in in your work during a an iteration or or sprint.
20:17:15 And using the green stickies on the left. Copy that as many times as you want, and and put in a you know type.
20:17:28 In some event that you imagine would have happened during that that iteration, and place it on the timeline from left to right, from start of the iteration to the end of the iteration and and bottom to top, based on whether that was you know, a really unhappy event or really great thing
20:17:51 And we're gonna run this in private mode. Is that right, George?
20:17:53 Right.
20:17:55 So before you begin, let me just hang on. I'm just gonna flip this into private mode, and we're gonna run a timer in the mural.
20:18:04 So at the top of the mural you'll see there's a timer you'll hear a noise when it ends when it's over.
20:18:08 How long do we want to give for this, George?
20:18:14 What do you think? 8 min, I think.
20:18:17 Alright!
20:18:19 We're in private mode now, and I will start the timer at 8.
20:18:24 Go for it.
20:18:33 And no one will know what you wrote. It's completely anonymous.
20:18:36 Even after we turn off by the mode
20:20:59 You can try not to cover up other people's work.
20:21:03 That's possible.
20:22:08 And if anybody's just joined, and they're just into the mural
20:22:14 And read the instructions. Item 6 on the timeline.
20:22:20 Fine at the outline. Call timeline
20:22:31 Had a few minutes left
20:22:44 Responses are completely anonymous.
20:23:24 Couple minutes left, 3 min
20:24:04 Looks like activity is slowing down a bit
20:24:06 Yeah, we can end early if that makes sense.
20:24:14 Do we want need more time.
20:24:19 Yeah, so, if if somebody has covered up other people's stickies they won't be able to reach them.
20:24:25 You can always clone another one and make a new one.
20:24:26 If that makes sense, and then we can clean it up after the fact.
20:24:29 Once I reveal it.
20:24:31 You can
20:25:07 Just over a minute left
20:25:10 Anybody still writing that looks like I see movement
20:25:29 Less than a minute
20:25:45 Finish up whatever you're writing. You got a few seconds left
20:26:05 20 s.
20:26:26 There's the sound
20:26:39 Okay.
20:26:30 Alright, I am going to turn off private mode
20:26:44 By the way, if the all the cursors flying around is driving you, Baddy, if you find your icon, the little round icon that represents whatever animal that mural re randomly assigned you, if you mouse over your icon which you'll be the leftmost one you there's a
20:27:02 Menu. Item, that says you can uncheck show cursors and they stop. You just don't see them anymore.
20:27:10 Go for it, George!
20:27:12 Okay, so does anyone done this exercise in a retrospective before in one practices.
20:27:23 So so the the purpose of this is to sort of build a shared view of what actually happened.
20:27:31 And I've always been amazed how you know a handful of people sitting in the same room every day with each other can have such very different points of view on on what happened
20:27:45 And so when we look at this
20:27:52 And
20:27:57 So some of these things. So any do any of the sticky stand out for anybody
20:28:09 Specs for not clear
20:28:12 Updating the burn down chart. Not so happy
20:28:20 Too many meetings.
20:28:28 CEO announced. Weekend over time
20:28:38 Demo crash near the end. Huh! That sounds like fine
20:28:47 Demo! Crash!
20:28:54 Coffee machine was not working today.
20:29:05 So one thing we want to do, we've got some some icons down here.
20:29:11 Now, there's not enough of them, probably, so you'll probably wanna copy it.
20:29:15 And then be able to paste it where you use it.
20:29:18 But what we want to do is we want to to use these to tag some of these events that happen as things that you saw, things that you heard, or things that you interpreted
20:29:35 So that's been
20:29:38 What do you think about
20:29:38 So, for example, I'm gonna move one of the eyes to
20:29:43 I saw the coffee machine not working cause that's something that happened, or better, yeah, I'll copy it, and I'll just paste one there
20:29:55 That's what we're talking about
20:29:59 How long do you want to get for this
20:30:02 What? What do you think for 3. Just be enough for this
20:30:04 3 min. I think so. But we'll see how it goes after 3.
20:30:09 Okay.
20:30:10 Okay.
20:30:12 We can always extend the time. Go for it
20:30:24 Just remember you can always copy and paste and create new icons
20:31:24 If you're finding things falling behind other things, you can take the sticky and right click on it and send it to back, and it'll all the icons will pop out in front
20:31:38 You can send the sticky to be behind the icons
20:31:44 You just have to right click and find the menu to do it.
20:32:54 About 20 s left
20:33:17 Alright! There's the bell! Go for a charge!
20:33:21 Okay. So we got everything annotated.
20:33:28 So I see that the copy machine not working was an interpretation.
20:33:33 That's interesting. How did you know the coffee machine wasn't working
20:33:51 So.
20:33:56 So here's one that's interesting to me. Too many meetings for this team.
20:34:01 There are 2 people who interpreted that one person who heard it
20:34:08 Nobody saw it happening
20:34:17 Yeah, nice.
20:34:13 Where that that phrase, too many is, it is, is certainly an interpretation, isn't it?
20:34:21 Yes.
20:34:25 Hmm.
20:34:30 So the the stand-ups tended to get caught up in details, and did not stick with just stating what we did and what we were working on in impediments.
20:34:39 Think got all 3. It looks like
20:34:52 And
20:34:54 When you're when you're looking at a timeline.
20:34:57 That's sort of a general statement. It's not something that happened at at a single point in time, which is what a timeline exercise is about.
20:35:09 And that's happened a lot. And and so a lot of times with with a new group, I'll start out with a an exercise called Fr frequency versus impact, because people tend to to make these sort of general statements that aren't really tied to a point in time
20:35:31 Yup!
20:35:34 Yes, sometimes I prefer that exercise just for that reason
20:35:38 So.
20:35:40 No, we
20:35:53 Notice also that the these are these are our range from I'm happy to delighted over here, but not everybody necessarily feels the same way.
20:36:08 I was working doing a retro for a team one time, and one is one of the stickies on it, said the the bill broke, and it was it was way down at the bottom
20:36:22 There was another sticky on the same timeline that said the bill broke, and it was way up at the top
20:36:30 And it was really interesting. What it turned out is we? We looked into that the person who had broken the bill put it down at the bottom because they felt so bad about that.
20:36:41 And the rest of the team thought it was really good, because it it.
20:36:46 It revealed a problem in their build process that made it easy to break the bill, and they were able to fix that.
20:36:56 And so the fact that the build broke they saw as a really positive thing
20:37:01 So what we want to do next is is a copy. Things from here.
20:37:08 It will go over to
20:37:12 I'm gonna I'm gonna Summit. Everybody zoom out a little bit, just so you can see the thing on the right
20:37:17 Okay, so.
20:37:18 And then we can zoom in once we're
20:37:22 Copy things from here and bring them over here to this man, said Glad, pretty Mark
20:37:32 And paste them there where you think they belong
20:37:34 Yeah, copy the text and then paste it on. Matt.
20:37:38 Sackclad.
20:37:40 About and and do it, based on how you imagine you would have felt when, when the whatever event happened
20:37:48 When this happened, or if it happened
20:37:51 Yeah.
20:38:02 And I'm gonna set a time of for 3 min again.
20:38:06 We'll see how that goes
20:39:52 I'm thinking that people here have a lot of experience with Mad Sam. Glad
20:40:03 Yes.
20:40:01 Why? Because nobody's putting anything another
20:40:09 They know how they feel alright. You got less than a minute left
20:40:15 Huh? Somebody pays to the link to the meeting.
20:40:27 I guess I could put this in private mode as well, but my bad
20:40:52 What we were hoping you would copy items and bring them over
20:40:56 Hmm.
20:40:57 But you know we are where we are
20:41:03 One reason you cut one advantage you can do with copying here is because it's electronic.
20:41:09 You can preserve both events you can preserve the timeline activity, and this one but just does that tip for facilitators.
20:41:17 When you're doing this for your own teams.
20:41:22 Before you debrief any further, George? One question I would like to ask at this, at the end of an activity.
20:41:29 When people are doing something is, what is this picture telling you just by looking at the whole.
20:41:38 And I'm going to zoom out so you can see the whole thing
20:41:42 And is there anything surprising
20:42:02 Is anything surprised anyone yet
20:42:07 You can. You can turn on your mics and and speak up if
20:42:13 Or
20:42:13 Yeah, this, this, this helps me, actually, quite frankly, this is David helps me to read them.
20:42:20 Layer from them, try to adapt them. Maybe it helps me to grow it.
20:42:29 There is a lot of information in it, and I'm trying to capture them. Thank you.
20:42:38 There's an interesting one in the upper left there, one George
20:42:43 Which one you read it out
20:42:46 Got in the details
20:42:48 Got it
20:42:56 No.
20:42:54 I've never seen that happen
20:43:00 Wait a minute. Wasn't it? About a half an hour ago?
20:43:03 Never mind.
20:43:05 An hour ago.
20:43:11 Though Eric and George what I I just comment here that I can see automatically that this takes the process comment away from the individual.
20:43:24 It's more of the team ownership. So that's pretty cool.
20:43:27 How we've sort of disassociate the actual comment from the person in part, the person that make the comment.
20:43:37 So that's this is a good. It's probably one of the best I've seen.
20:43:42 That first step sort of breaks it down and removes it from there.
20:43:47 That's one of the biggest problems in regards that I had is, how do you do that?
20:43:51 So this is, I'm seeing this. This method is addressing, but that's pretty cool
20:43:56 There's a there's a huge reason for that, and and it's actually something that I teach when I teach retrospective citation and George and I, we talk about this all the time.
20:44:07 Working on stuff together is most retrospectives are just jumping into what they think about things before they even know what happens.
20:44:15 And so if you slow down and actually explore what happened before you start figuring out what you think about it, you may learn some things you didn't know
20:44:25 Yeah.
20:44:26 Yeah, normally, I would spend a lot more time looking at the timeline and going over it with everyone.
20:44:34 So everybody sees everything on it, you know. We can talk about what what's in there cause the important thing is to build a shared view of this time period.
20:44:46 And it. You know, software development teams are problem solvers.
20:44:53 So they want to jump right to solutions. And you know, it's really important to take time to to look, to create the data externalize it and look at it together.
20:45:06 And like you, say, hexter, one is like this, hey?
20:45:07 You said, externalize it right, externalize it
20:45:10 Means that you're not pointing at people anymore. You're you're everybody is turning and looking at the data together.
20:45:17 Very good.
20:45:18 In fact, I met a comment on facilitation. Anytime I ever have people silent writing and writing down their thoughts if it's if it needs to be anonymous, I would say the way I would frame it is if anybody would like to.
20:45:32 Read there's allowed. Feel you can volunteer if it's a team retro and everybody knows everybody, and it's not anonymous at all.
20:45:37 Especially if you're doing this on a wall with sticky.
20:45:39 Yeah.
20:45:40 You can see who are what I would actually have. Everybody read their own, like. Each person would read every single one of them. And this has a really brilliant effect of getting people who don't normally speak up to actually have an opportunity to speak
20:45:54 Very good.
20:45:56 I noticed with with, you have Steve intrigue, that some of the comments from the one board have been pasted in multiple cases over here which tells me first of all, this little disagreement about classification, but also that multiple people are responding and reacting to the same item the big long green one about the
20:46:13 Stand ups, get caught up in details. Is there at least 3 times on the board
20:46:16 Yes, it is
20:46:22 Somewhere on the spectrum between. Madden said
20:46:26 And and
20:46:28 That's interesting, actually, to the next thing.
20:46:29 A good point to go to
20:46:34 Perfect, perfect timing.
20:46:34 To the emotions. Good segue
20:46:42 So.
20:46:52 What happens here.
20:46:57 Where did there
20:47:01 The motions, you know
20:47:00 And why is it pointing over there? Let me. I'll pull everybody over
20:47:07 How's that?
20:47:10 The the picture is gone.
20:47:13 Oh, refresh your mural if you're not seeing a picture
20:47:24 One of the reasons. Mad, sad, and glad, is so powerful as well is because oftentimes, when you go into a retrospective, and you ask people to talk about how they feel about something that can be a little awkward.
20:47:43 Good, one
20:47:34 Not everybody's comfortable with feelings. You start talking about feelings and like Oh, our scrum master has gone off the edge now he's turned into a therapist, or she it it's like you know, Matt's hat glad boils it down in the way that like you don't really
20:47:49 Have to think too hard about feelings. It's sort of it's a nice catch, all for catches, a lot of feelings.
20:47:56 But if you want to get more subtle like, look what happened right?
20:47:58 It's shot up in 3 places. That same item. Do you see that picture? Now, George.
20:48:04 Yeah, it's showing now, is everybody else say it over here.
20:48:08 So, so this is, it's sometimes hard to give give names to to what you're feeling.
20:48:15 And so having a catalog of names that that you can use is sometimes really helpful.
20:48:22 And you know there's some here that are that that aren't part of man's.
20:48:27 Say I'm glad at all
20:48:30 And so those can be really useful
20:48:34 And and it's it's also interesting that the we tend to think about the things that happened during.
20:48:45 You know that we noticed that happened. The things we saw and heard, our data, the the things that we interpreted, or less so.
20:48:55 But our emotions are definitely part of the data, and the things that we interpreted.
20:49:02 We interpreted them that way because of the you know the emotions that that something we saw or heard, you know, brought up inside of us, and then we made meaning of that and interpret what that must mean and that's the way people work that's the way people think but you know trying to get
20:49:26 Behind. Some of this stuff is really helpful.
20:49:31 Yeah.
20:49:33 And having having this actually again, it's down to some of just externalizing it, putting a bunch of words up to here.
20:49:42 Here's a whole variety of emotions you can choose from.
20:49:45 You could have then take extend that exercise we just did, and save if you were having trouble placing one of those items.
20:49:51 Maybe you could think about a more subtle way to express yourself. There's a lot of ways you could use this
20:50:09 So we
20:50:09 So we got a learned and concerned
20:50:12 Yes, this 10, sorry!
20:50:18 I I'll summon. How about that?
20:50:20 Okay.
20:50:24 I'm gonna set this in private mode anonymous
20:50:31 And this is really about this session. We just did right.
20:50:35 We're heading toward the end. We got 10 min left.
20:50:37 We're gonna have some Q. A. But mostly what we wanna do is get feedback on what we've just shown you.
20:50:43 And the ideas we've just presented in the thought.
20:50:46 So I'm gonna give you. Let's make it 3, 4 min.
20:50:52 Let's try 3 min to 2. How it goes
20:50:53 That's perfect. Yeah, it's 2 for 3, and we love feedback.
20:50:57 So anything that you could tell us about what you're what you've learned today, and what you're still concerned about in terms of this stuff, or even just how we presented it.
20:51:06 Go for it. You have 3 min
20:51:13 And if you use the little green things and copy those and paste them, it's it's a little easier to fit them on the screen.
20:51:22 The provider.
20:51:21 The the built-in mural stickies tend to be a little big
20:51:25 Yeah, if you double click and get a big, fat, sticky, you tend to be on top of somebody else's work.
20:51:31 Likely. So just be careful.
20:51:34 Copy and paste is your friend.
20:51:47 Oh, I need to update the text says, Copy me not, use me
20:52:11 I think if you created a bunch, nobody else will be able to edit them while we're still in private mode, you probably just discover that
20:52:18 Oh, with you!
20:52:16 Yeah, I just was discovering that
20:52:24 I thought, Oh, I can make it a little easier. And then I thought, Oh, wait a minute, all these have these
20:52:28 They're all yours until we opened up
20:52:32 There's no way for me to turn that off individually.
20:52:35 That's right. I guess that's actually important. Because then copy and paste doesn't work here.
20:52:42 Well it copy and paste does work.
20:52:45 Only for yourself.
20:52:46 Only for yourself. So yeah, so you can copy one, and then you can paste it as many times as you need them.
20:52:52 Let's see, I don't use private mode enough to understand it.
20:52:54 Well, that's something I learned today.
20:52:59 Okay. Folks got a little over a minute left
20:53:59 2 s turn off private mode here in a few seconds
20:54:07 And there's the bell turning off private mode now.
20:54:14 Let me go!
20:54:17 No.
20:54:19 I'm gonna read this in detail later.
20:54:37 Session was short. Yes, this is a tiny, tiny piece of a 2 day class.
20:54:43 We've been developing
20:54:48 Absolutely, absolutely.
20:54:45 Yeah, we would normally spend more time on this cool because we feel it's so important.
20:54:51 And also
20:54:51 Yeah, and the emotions wheel is is kind of a mostly left as an exercise to go figure out or play with.
20:54:58 So. Yes, you're right. It's not a fully developed in here, as it as shown absolutely
20:55:08 Yeah, if if you haven't read it. Esther Derby and Diana Larson's book on on Agile Retrospectives is is really a great source, and they give a a simple 5 step framework for for conducting a retrospective
20:55:25 Good.
20:55:23 That's right. And so we look at the concern here that says, What do we do next?
20:55:28 How do we prioritize them? That's the that would be a follow-on step after what we've just done.
20:55:34 So we've only shown you a portion of a retro
20:55:40 I also want to comment on the saw interpreted herd was new, not sure what it means.
20:55:45 We're trying to distinguish between fact and opinion
20:55:50 What you saw and what you heard, or facts, what you think about things are interpretations.
20:55:57 That's a subjective. Your opinion about what that means.
20:56:03 And other people would have different interpretations.
20:56:03 Yes, I can. Definitely sorry. Say that again, George. I stepped on you
20:56:09 And other people will have different interpretations.
20:56:14 That's right.
20:56:14 And that's one of the the important reasons to distinguish between.
20:56:19 You know the the intake and and the interpretation
20:56:25 So so the book
20:56:25 And in fact, we're in Q. A. Now, by the way, so so feel free to ask more question
20:56:30 The the the book name is Angel retrospectives
20:56:40 Thank you.
20:56:39 There's actually quite a bit of literature on retrospectives that there, there it is.
20:56:45 Not all. It is great
20:56:48 Thanks, thanks, meadows, not all of them are great, but some of them are quite good.
20:56:53 There's a there's a handful of that, I think are pretty good that I like to use.
20:56:58 There's also online resources. I have a whole list of retrospective references.
20:57:06 If anybody wants to check out on my website, I'll list it
20:57:13 Is that correct?
20:57:18 So, when it's your next session. This was pretty good.
20:57:23 By the way, this
20:57:24 Thank you. Not sure. Well, we're gonna be working on some stuff I imagine, when we go to Rfg.
20:57:33 And and next month, because we're gonna be in a hotel for an entire week with 23 other retrospect facilitator expert experts, including including Diana and Esther.
20:57:46 Thanks. Okay.
20:57:46 So good things are coming, I think
20:57:49 Yeah. Very good. Eric and George, I I really like it.
20:57:52 I multitasking here, but I I want to definitely review the jira, for I mean just here I'm losing mirror.
20:58:05 I'm pretty new at the game, but I've used Miro before, and this was pretty interactive.
20:58:15 So.
20:58:13 Really appreciate your system.
20:58:15 Yeah, they. And actually, this is an old version of the mural ui.
20:58:19 If you, if I were to turn this on to the newer version, it would look a lot more like Miro, because they look like they're trying to.
20:58:26 M. Match. There's a survey link. If the and I, if I summon everybody here, you can see there's 2 places you can click on this link if you wanna give us your email address, we will make available a Pdf version of this Mural.
20:58:46 But I'll leave the mural open for a while, anyway, cause somebody asked for that
20:58:53 This is really a great session, Eric and George.
20:58:57 I think I'm I'm hoping that maybe we can have more than one session where we can just focus on one model.
20:59:05 And if you guys can spare the time and energy. But this, this was enlightening for me to use middle, and I was the one who said, It's too short session.
20:59:16 Because for me, I'm like, Wow, I'm just getting a wow moment.
20:59:18 But I'm not able to follow the learning completely. So I'm really looking forward, and I'll I'll definitely look at the book in terms of the I like the Pdf version you can give us.
20:59:31 So how do I give my email address or something? I'm not sure I didn't follow that
20:59:35 So in the mural there's a link you can click on which I've just brought summoned to everybody to that area.
20:59:42 Okay.
20:59:42 I'll I'll summon again. There's and then just George just posted the Google form link that you can fill in.
20:59:48 And anybody who does that will get a copy of the Pdf.
20:59:50 Perfect. I'll do that from the text. Thanks, George, thank you, both of you.
20:59:53 Okay.
20:59:54 Wonderful session.
20:59:59 Absolutely.
20:59:55 And and feel free to email either one of us. We're both of us in, you know, with with questions, or or, you know, to talk about a situation that you're facing.
21:00:06 You know there's likely things that you don't want to say in a public meetup, but that you might want to to ask deeper questions about
21:00:16 Thank you so much for that offer. And where can I find your email address?
21:00:22 Well, if if Joe and Eric, you send us a a link to to your pioneers and other things, we would post on the comments section of our meetup
21:00:34 Yep, it's right there. I see it in the chat.
21:00:38 Somebody posted the yeah. So just a quick comment.
21:00:42 Heather to your comment of, can you use these type of tools and other events in scrum or agile?
21:00:50 Absolutely all of these kind I always think of, you know a lot of the retrospective activities our, I can't apply in lots of places like you might use them to generate working agreements or there's lots of different ways.
21:01:03 You can use some of these techniques. It just depends on kind of fit for purpose.
21:01:09 And retrospectives are useful for a lot more than software development.
21:01:12 Also
21:01:15 Oh, definitely detail on that. Quite frankly, George, I have used mirror mirror we have used at Svpm.
21:01:24 Neural mute, jazz board I'm using even chat gpt at the instruction in my classes.
21:01:33 So we try to utilize technology to transfer knowledge and help each other and definitely help our next generation.
21:01:44 Leadership, to step out of their cocoon and let's do it.
21:01:49 Collaboratively let's let's move the the world forward the way it's supposed to be not stuck in a in a, in a vehicle. Thank you very much.
21:02:00 One of the very quiet sessions we've ever had in many meetings, but so interactive, so useful.
21:02:10 And so enlightening. Thank you, both of you.
21:02:13 Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
21:02:15 Yes.
21:02:16 Thank you so much
21:02:20 So that
21:02:19 Yeah, I would add to that. It's it's very quiet but highly engaging.
21:02:27 Very good.
21:02:28 I think I would say one of the reason. It was quiet.
21:02:31 We were all like, Wow! And we are trying to d digest that what's an insight?
21:02:38 And like, okay.
21:02:41 Are there any more questions?
21:02:45 Alright. So I wanna thank Eric and George for a great interactive.
21:02:54 Session, where everyone could participate and enjoy the presentation.
21:03:01 We all. We all thank you.
21:03:05 Also, I'd like to and remind folks that if you look in the chat you'll see a link which will refer you to up and coming Asvpm meetups.
21:03:22 So I think everyone, and just have a great afternoon evening, morning, or wherever you are. Thank you.
21:03:30 And quite frankly, please allow me to thank you again, George.
21:03:35 Eric. Everybody here and definitely our aspm, agile and scale value project management, leadership.
21:03:44 We all all this to you? Team. Thank you. Leadership. And thank you.
21:03:49 Thank you. Thank you so much, George. Eric and Donald.
21:03:54 If this could not be possible without your help. Thank you. Everybody
21:03:57 Well, thank you. Thank you, George, and thank you, Eric. Thanks.
21:04:00 Much.
21:04:05 Thank you.
21:04:03 Alright, thanks very much. Everybody appreciate it.
21:04:05 Bye.
21:04:01 Everybody for joining. Oh, yeah, yeah.
21:04:04 And before, before before you leave, may I have your beautiful smile so I can take a take a nice picture of you all, and share with everybody in the world.
21:04:17 Thank you very much.
21:04:21 Those when you're ready to smile, David, tell us what
21:04:26 Okay.
21:04:25 Right now! Voila
21:04:28 Alright, great bye.
21:04:29 Thank you. Everybody. Thank you.
21:04:32 Thanks, bye, bye.
21:04:35 Thank you.